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		<title>By: Home network upgrades &#171; How Do You Figure?</title>
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		<dc:creator>Home network upgrades &#171; How Do You Figure?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jan 2010 16:22:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] by Asian Ed on January 17, 2010  After a recent conversation with a certain Austrian Otaku about Home Theater stuffs, I decided it was about time to do an update of what I’m using at home. Since my last overview, [...]</description>
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		<title>By: hikky</title>
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		<dc:creator>hikky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jan 2010 16:02:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-2638&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@JimmPantsu &lt;/a&gt; 
Oh noes, ATI fanboy?^^
And yes it&#039;s not necessary but works fine so why not? Without CoreAVC my CPU runs @ 3GHZ and uses up to 50% of its power while with CUDA it&#039;s around a few percent and clocking itself down. Less power consumption and heat (which is nice for a CPU with 125W TDP using around 165W at 100% workload.)

Must be great to have the TV nearby, the cable is a &quot;little bit&quot; cheaper after all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-2638" rel="nofollow">@JimmPantsu </a><br />
Oh noes, ATI fanboy?^^<br />
And yes it&#8217;s not necessary but works fine so why not? Without CoreAVC my CPU runs @ 3GHZ and uses up to 50% of its power while with CUDA it&#8217;s around a few percent and clocking itself down. Less power consumption and heat (which is nice for a CPU with 125W TDP using around 165W at 100% workload.)</p>
<p>Must be great to have the TV nearby, the cable is a &#8220;little bit&#8221; cheaper after all.</p>
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		<title>By: JimmPantsu</title>
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		<dc:creator>JimmPantsu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jan 2010 17:44:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The CoreAVC is nice for people with PCs/Notebooks/Netbooks wich are older or not very powerfull, like Netbooks. My PC also isn some years old and not really fast... For such people is the CoreAVC a good opinionen, it is also without the CUDA support faster than ffdshow.

Cause I have no Nvidia card, I can´t use the CPU acceleration. (Don´t plan to buy a Nvidia card ;) ) But I had buy the new CoreAVC also, 10$ isn´t much and the deinterlacing in win 7 function now.

Like Guy said. With a up to date dual/quad core, the graphic card acceleration is more a question when you want to save money with lower electricity consumption. (Ok, depending on the CPU and GPU(s) you are using.

A HTPC is something nice to have, had the Idea also sometimes, ITX really doesn&#039;t need much place but at the moment I don´t need it. A 10m HDMI cable is enough^^</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The CoreAVC is nice for people with PCs/Notebooks/Netbooks wich are older or not very powerfull, like Netbooks. My PC also isn some years old and not really fast&#8230; For such people is the CoreAVC a good opinionen, it is also without the CUDA support faster than ffdshow.</p>
<p>Cause I have no Nvidia card, I can´t use the CPU acceleration. (Don´t plan to buy a Nvidia card <img src='http://austrianotaku.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />  ) But I had buy the new CoreAVC also, 10$ isn´t much and the deinterlacing in win 7 function now.</p>
<p>Like Guy said. With a up to date dual/quad core, the graphic card acceleration is more a question when you want to save money with lower electricity consumption. (Ok, depending on the CPU and GPU(s) you are using.</p>
<p>A HTPC is something nice to have, had the Idea also sometimes, ITX really doesn&#8217;t need much place but at the moment I don´t need it. A 10m HDMI cable is enough^^</p>
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		<title>By: GREW</title>
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		<dc:creator>GREW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jan 2010 20:42:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t need something like that. With my codec pack everything works fine for years! So why should I change from something free to something expensive?

Maybe it will be nice, if you want watch HD and play High-Res Game at the same time. But... who does that actually?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t need something like that. With my codec pack everything works fine for years! So why should I change from something free to something expensive?</p>
<p>Maybe it will be nice, if you want watch HD and play High-Res Game at the same time. But&#8230; who does that actually?<br />
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		<title>By: hikky</title>
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		<dc:creator>hikky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jan 2010 12:51:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-2602&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@Asian Ed &lt;/a&gt; 
Well I&#039;ll take a look at PowerDVD as it supports CUDA too, let&#039;s see how it performs. Might look into ArcSofts Media Center too, thx for the hint.
As for the price. I tried to put together a µATX system with the cheapest components I could find but it would cost not much less. 
And yah, I&#039;m only concerned about energy consumption because of the heat. And with a cheap µATX system I would need some fans for sure. And if I want it to be noiseless/quite those would cost some money too. 

&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-2608&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@Guy &lt;/a&gt; 
Yah, sry. You will be mentioned otherwise in an upcoming post. ^^;
And yes, you don&#039;t need it with modern dual/quad/six-core CPUs. I have to admit that I would like to see a power/heat comparison between a Core i7 system decoding 1080p stuff with on the GPU and on the CPU. Would be interesting IMO.

&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-2615&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@Melonpan &lt;/a&gt; 
Ach ja, und wie guckst du auf deinem BluRay player mkvs, zB fansubs? (Angenommen du hättest keinen Laptop?)
Ich will kein one-purpose Teil mit dem ich früher oder später wieder etwas nicht abspielen kann.

&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-2616&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@Smithy &lt;/a&gt; 
Yah, if I would like to do some heavy gaming or other CPU intensive stuff on it I would prefer a 6 core i7 CPU too. As it isn&#039;t my main system it can be just standard. Some surfing or Office work would work too, flash streams in HD too as Flashplayer 10.1 beta uses CUDA too. 
Hm, all of my rigs have, or should have a Nvidia GPU. Yah, AMD has the first Dx11 GPu, it&#039;s more power efficient and what not. It&#039;s hard to be not tempted by the Radeon 5970 But where are the AMD GPU computing apps? Where are flawless drivers?

Good point about the new Intel CPUs. But guess they would be too expensive. More interesting for a HTPC are the already available new Pineview Atom CPUs with integrated GMA 3150 (available as mini ITX too, for example from ZOTAC for ~100€). But acording to some reviews the ION pulverises those atm.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-2602" rel="nofollow">@Asian Ed </a><br />
Well I&#8217;ll take a look at PowerDVD as it supports CUDA too, let&#8217;s see how it performs. Might look into ArcSofts Media Center too, thx for the hint.<br />
As for the price. I tried to put together a µATX system with the cheapest components I could find but it would cost not much less.<br />
And yah, I&#8217;m only concerned about energy consumption because of the heat. And with a cheap µATX system I would need some fans for sure. And if I want it to be noiseless/quite those would cost some money too. </p>
<p><a href="#comment-2608" rel="nofollow">@Guy </a><br />
Yah, sry. You will be mentioned otherwise in an upcoming post. ^^;<br />
And yes, you don&#8217;t need it with modern dual/quad/six-core CPUs. I have to admit that I would like to see a power/heat comparison between a Core i7 system decoding 1080p stuff with on the GPU and on the CPU. Would be interesting IMO.</p>
<p><a href="#comment-2615" rel="nofollow">@Melonpan </a><br />
Ach ja, und wie guckst du auf deinem BluRay player mkvs, zB fansubs? (Angenommen du hättest keinen Laptop?)<br />
Ich will kein one-purpose Teil mit dem ich früher oder später wieder etwas nicht abspielen kann.</p>
<p><a href="#comment-2616" rel="nofollow">@Smithy </a><br />
Yah, if I would like to do some heavy gaming or other CPU intensive stuff on it I would prefer a 6 core i7 CPU too. As it isn&#8217;t my main system it can be just standard. Some surfing or Office work would work too, flash streams in HD too as Flashplayer 10.1 beta uses CUDA too.<br />
Hm, all of my rigs have, or should have a Nvidia GPU. Yah, AMD has the first Dx11 GPu, it&#8217;s more power efficient and what not. It&#8217;s hard to be not tempted by the Radeon 5970 But where are the AMD GPU computing apps? Where are flawless drivers?</p>
<p>Good point about the new Intel CPUs. But guess they would be too expensive. More interesting for a HTPC are the already available new Pineview Atom CPUs with integrated GMA 3150 (available as mini ITX too, for example from ZOTAC for ~100€). But acording to some reviews the ION pulverises those atm.</p>
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		<title>By: Smithy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Smithy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jan 2010 11:28:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well if you&#039;re looking for an HTPC solution based on the Ion platform and want to combine it with CoreAVC to get the GPU doing all the work then this is an ideal solution indeed.

But I said &#039;if&#039; because as all things computer and geek go, not everyone has the same set of goals what they want their system to do nor do they have the same ideas or preferences.

Currently I&#039;m satisfied with using CCCP to play media on both my rigs as neither has an Nvidia GPU and both also have other functions than playing media.

Next to Ion the new integrated video solution of Intel&#039;s new Core i5/i3 Clarkdale &amp; Arrandale is looking mighty interesting for HTPC use too.
.-= Smithy´s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://bluebluewave.wordpress.com/2010/01/14/omamori-himari/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Omamori Himari&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well if you&#8217;re looking for an HTPC solution based on the Ion platform and want to combine it with CoreAVC to get the GPU doing all the work then this is an ideal solution indeed.</p>
<p>But I said &#8216;if&#8217; because as all things computer and geek go, not everyone has the same set of goals what they want their system to do nor do they have the same ideas or preferences.</p>
<p>Currently I&#8217;m satisfied with using CCCP to play media on both my rigs as neither has an Nvidia GPU and both also have other functions than playing media.</p>
<p>Next to Ion the new integrated video solution of Intel&#8217;s new Core i5/i3 Clarkdale &amp; Arrandale is looking mighty interesting for HTPC use too.<br />
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		<title>By: Melonpan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Melonpan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jan 2010 11:25:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ich machs einfacher - ich kauf ne Blu-Ray, schiebe sie in den Player und gut ist. Fast wie Pizza backen. Dann interessiert mich auch kein High-Tech Ofen oder was auch immer. ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ich machs einfacher &#8211; ich kauf ne Blu-Ray, schiebe sie in den Player und gut ist. Fast wie Pizza backen. Dann interessiert mich auch kein High-Tech Ofen oder was auch immer. <img src='http://austrianotaku.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Guy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jan 2010 06:56:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You mentioned me the wrong way ;)

If you&#039;re building a home office media box, and trying to do it on a budget, or if all you care for is watching TV and movies on your computer, sure, get the CoreAVC Decoder (I also didn&#039;t know it was this cheap, I figured it was a $200 program like many interesting CUDA ones :P), but sometimes, you don&#039;t need it.

Better is not always better, it&#039;s certainly not always &lt;i&gt;necessary&lt;/i&gt;. If someone is shot in the head, they&#039;re dead. If someone is shot in the head three times, they&#039;re not three times as dead.
Likewise, if I have a gaming rig, and my CPU is 20 times as strong as it needs be to watch HD, then what do I need a decoder that&#039;d be 100 times as strong as is needed to run what I&#039;m watching?

Simple answer: I don&#039;t. Sure, there&#039;s a geekgasm at the capabilities, but it&#039;s not like my computer has any issues with running whatever it is I&#039;m putting into it right now (QuadCore 2.4), and by the time it does, I&#039;ll probably have Core i7, or something :P

But if your goal is not to play video games, or just to do it the cheapest you can, then sure, go for this. It is also cheaper, yes.
.-= Guy´s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://geekorner.wordpress.com/2010/01/14/figure-friday-feedback-edition/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Figure Friday Feedback Edition.&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You mentioned me the wrong way <img src='http://austrianotaku.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>If you&#8217;re building a home office media box, and trying to do it on a budget, or if all you care for is watching TV and movies on your computer, sure, get the CoreAVC Decoder (I also didn&#8217;t know it was this cheap, I figured it was a $200 program like many interesting CUDA ones <img src='http://austrianotaku.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /> ), but sometimes, you don&#8217;t need it.</p>
<p>Better is not always better, it&#8217;s certainly not always <i>necessary</i>. If someone is shot in the head, they&#8217;re dead. If someone is shot in the head three times, they&#8217;re not three times as dead.<br />
Likewise, if I have a gaming rig, and my CPU is 20 times as strong as it needs be to watch HD, then what do I need a decoder that&#8217;d be 100 times as strong as is needed to run what I&#8217;m watching?</p>
<p>Simple answer: I don&#8217;t. Sure, there&#8217;s a geekgasm at the capabilities, but it&#8217;s not like my computer has any issues with running whatever it is I&#8217;m putting into it right now (QuadCore 2.4), and by the time it does, I&#8217;ll probably have Core i7, or something <img src='http://austrianotaku.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>But if your goal is not to play video games, or just to do it the cheapest you can, then sure, go for this. It is also cheaper, yes.<br />
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		<title>By: Asian Ed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Asian Ed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2010 22:36:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As we discussed today, I think you still need to get some sort of software to decode BDs. Most drives come with PowerDVD (which I&#039;m not a huge fan of). MPC will play BDs images if ripped to the HD, or straight from the disk if you have something like AnyDVDHD installed to take care of the copy protection. Like with all software, every so often it&#039;ll be out of date and a new release movie may not play (a problem that happens with BD, unfortunately).

One of the better commercial solutions for BD playback is still ArcSoft Total Media Theatre 3, and I really like the integration with Windows Media Center. I use WMC exclusively for content playback on both of my MPCs, either through Media Browser (which is great for browsing DVD and TV content) or the plain WMC interface. The only downside with Media Browser is that a lot of the data is grabbed from thetvdb and themoviedb, which doesn&#039;t always contain metadata for our animu...

As for the power concerns of an Ion based solution vs a standard PC, it&#039;ll take you a little while to recoup the difference between that and a standard PC. My media PCs are drawing almost no power most of the time since they&#039;re asleep. So assume same usage on a 60w vs. 120w (full load). At 2hrs a day for 365 days, you&#039;re using 66kwh. Now, take into account for the cost of electricity (not sure how much it is for you). On my last bill, I paid about $0.10/kwh. So, over the course of the year, the lower powered solution would have saved me $6.30. Considering the difference in price for the machine, it&#039;d take a whole lot more time to make up the cost difference. :)

Heat, on the other hand, is a different story. If you&#039;re putting it in an ultra small case, power is definitely a concern. If it&#039;s going to sit in a place that has good ventilation, then not as much.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As we discussed today, I think you still need to get some sort of software to decode BDs. Most drives come with PowerDVD (which I&#8217;m not a huge fan of). MPC will play BDs images if ripped to the HD, or straight from the disk if you have something like AnyDVDHD installed to take care of the copy protection. Like with all software, every so often it&#8217;ll be out of date and a new release movie may not play (a problem that happens with BD, unfortunately).</p>
<p>One of the better commercial solutions for BD playback is still ArcSoft Total Media Theatre 3, and I really like the integration with Windows Media Center. I use WMC exclusively for content playback on both of my MPCs, either through Media Browser (which is great for browsing DVD and TV content) or the plain WMC interface. The only downside with Media Browser is that a lot of the data is grabbed from thetvdb and themoviedb, which doesn&#8217;t always contain metadata for our animu&#8230;</p>
<p>As for the power concerns of an Ion based solution vs a standard PC, it&#8217;ll take you a little while to recoup the difference between that and a standard PC. My media PCs are drawing almost no power most of the time since they&#8217;re asleep. So assume same usage on a 60w vs. 120w (full load). At 2hrs a day for 365 days, you&#8217;re using 66kwh. Now, take into account for the cost of electricity (not sure how much it is for you). On my last bill, I paid about $0.10/kwh. So, over the course of the year, the lower powered solution would have saved me $6.30. Considering the difference in price for the machine, it&#8217;d take a whole lot more time to make up the cost difference. <img src='http://austrianotaku.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Heat, on the other hand, is a different story. If you&#8217;re putting it in an ultra small case, power is definitely a concern. If it&#8217;s going to sit in a place that has good ventilation, then not as much.</p>
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		<title>By: _hikky (Raffael)</title>
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		<dc:creator>_hikky (Raffael)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2010 20:59:21 +0000</pubDate>
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